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美国数据中心用水和社区反对情绪升温,但未形成可交易的亚洲个股事件边界

Bloomberg提及的Liquid Death/Garage Beer广告和约七成反对数据中心的舆情已被Axios、Business Insider等报道核验。

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# 美股盘后催化 12/12: 数据中心用水反对情绪被Bloomberg提及,AI基础设施扩张面临社区许可和运营约束风险 - 美股会话: 2026-08-19 - 方向: NEGATIVE;类型: 监管/政策;规划重大性: 4/10 -…
不做 广达(2382.TW)
AI服务器敞口明确,但本次只是美国社区反对和地方审批风险背景,未坐实客户项目延迟或订单取消,不能满足强空红线。
不做 纬颖(6669.TW)
纬颖同时暴露于AI服务器交付和液冷升级,事件方向混合;20日已涨15.91%,新增舆情不足以追多。
不做 三花智控(002050.SZ)
液冷受益逻辑存在但未量化美国AI数据中心收入,也未见本次舆情带来新增订单;A股报价为旧价,不能给入场。
不做 三花智控(02050.HK)
H股可交易且有真实日线,但不是ADR收敛腿;当前只是主题映射,缺少事件级订单证据。
不做 LG Electronics(066570.KS)
数据中心冷却产品认证进展不足以把美国社区反对事件转为公司级新增利多,且集团体量稀释。
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研究档案

🔎 新鲜度:最早出现 2026-08-19 · 扩散 high · price-in 风险 medium ↗ ↗ ↗

消息传播链

  1. 2026-08-19扩散Axios非一手原文 ↗
    报道约70%美国人反对在本社区建设数据中心,并讨论电力、水耗和地方阻力。
  2. 2026-08-19扩散Business Insider非一手原文 ↗
    报道Jason Kelce参与Liquid Death和Garage Beer围绕AI数据中心用水的讽刺广告。
  3. 2026-08-19 16:08 ET市场反应Bloomberg TV The Close非一手原文 ↗
    Bloomberg收盘节目提及广告和公众反对,作为AI数据中心扩张争议的盘后话题。
    市场反应:未给出可归因的单一美股mover。
  4. 2026-08-19官方确认/否认Axios Indianapolis非一手原文 ↗
    Indianapolis Metropolitan Development Commission一致通过新数据中心开发暂停令,约束持续至2027年,但不影响已获批的三个项目。

关键理由

  • Bloomberg提及的Liquid Death/Garage Beer广告和约七成反对数据中心的舆情已被Axios、Business Insider等报道核验。
  • 地方层面已有Indianapolis暂停新数据中心开发的审批约束,但本次未指向具体云厂商、项目、服务器ODM订单或亚洲供应商新增订单。
  • 对AI服务器ODM偏负、对液冷节水方案偏正的方向相互抵消,现有报价显示多只候选已有较大AI主题波动,edge不足。

主要风险

  • 若后续出现具体hyperscaler项目取消、延期或地方正式禁令,广达、纬颖等AI服务器供应链可能被负面重估。
  • 若市场将用水约束单边解读为液冷渗透率提升,三花智控等热管理标的可能短线抢跑,但本轮证据不支持追入。

反向证据

  • 做多前查反向 · 来源 web · 日期 2026-08-19 · 影响 weakens
    舆情可支持节水液冷长期需求,但若地方审批放缓,总体数据中心建设和设备需求也会受压,方向为mixed。
    检索:数据中心用水反对是否直接利好亚洲液冷供应商 原文 ↗
  • 做空前查反向 · 来源 web · 影响 invalidates
    未检索到广达或纬颖因美国数据中心许可/用水限制导致订单取消或交付延迟的具体事实。
    检索:数据中心反对是否已导致广达或纬颖订单取消
  • 做多前查反向 · 来源 web · 影响 weakens
    可见液冷业务进展报道,但未见美国AI数据中心收入占比或本次事件直接带来的客户订单。
    检索:三花智控美国AI数据中心液冷收入占比 原文 ↗

先例如何影响了这次决策

对本次决策的影响:缺少先例强化,且事件非公司级新增事实,维持不做。

方向:无合格先例,不用先例支持交易方向。

涨幅量级:无幅度读出。

形态:无模式读出。

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# 美股盘后催化 12/12: 数据中心用水反对情绪被Bloomberg提及,AI基础设施扩张面临社区许可和运营约束风险

- 美股会话: 2026-08-19
- 方向: NEGATIVE;类型: 监管/政策;规划重大性: 4/10
- 映射模式: customer_demand
- 美股驱动(规划器初判,需独立核验): 事实:Bloomberg TV提到约七成美国人反对在其社区建设数据中心,并以Liquid Death/Garage Beer围绕AI数据中心用水的宣传活动说明公众关注。推断:这不是硬政策,但反映AI数据中心扩张的社区接受度、水资源和许可风险,可能影响电力、冷却和园区开发节奏。

## 本催化相关美股真实收盘行情

- 规划器没有给出可取价的美股 ticker;必须联网核实具体 mover。

## 亚太映射假设(仅候选,必须查证)

- 广达 (待归一) [TW/供应商/mixed]: 若美国数据中心建设许可和水资源约束拖慢部署,AI服务器出货节奏可能受影响。;核验问题: 北美数据中心建设延迟是否传导至服务器ODM订单。
- 纬颖 (待归一) [TW/供应商/mixed]: AI基础设施扩张约束可能影响整机柜交付节奏,但也可能增加液冷/节能方案需求。;核验问题: 客户项目是否受用水、用电、地方审批影响,以及液冷配置比例是否提升。
- 三花智控 (待归一) [CN/供应商/positive]: 若数据中心水耗约束推动更高效热管理方案,液冷/热管理零部件供应商可能受益。;核验问题: 公司是否直接供应海外AI数据中心液冷系统或关键阀件。

## 必答问题

- 公众反对是否已转化为地方审批延迟或用水限制?
- 哪些云厂商或neocloud项目暴露于缺水州/地区?
- 亚洲热管理供应商的美国AI数据中心收入占比是多少?

## 原始证据全文(1 条)

### [E0001] Bloomberg TV+ · The Close | 2026-08-19 20:14 UTC | 收盘后
Bloomberg TV+ The Close transcript · 2026-08-19
URL: https://www.bloomberg.com/live/us
[15:55:05 ET] Because as the 10 year goes up, it's going to cause multiple compression you've already seen some, you're about to see a lot more so let'.
[15:55:13 ET] A little and broaden this out, too, because when we talk about an earnings season that we're almost through, it's been a phenomenal earnings season, but a lot of people are wondering whether we've kind.
[15:55:21 ET] The peak my question for you is more on the value side and the broadening of this earnings growth, which has gone from just, you know the big hyperscale.
[15:55:29 ET] AndviAs and chip makers to now a lot of other people sort of participating in that growth story is that sustainable.
[15:55:37 ET] I there, you know, it's all about leEIs, leading economic indicators, and as long as LeEIs are accelerating and moving upward here, you're going to get a broadening.
[15:55:45 ET] the market so we expect leIs not to peak until roughly this time next year it might be a tad earlier, but through the end of this year if that's your.
[15:55:53 ET] LEIs are going to head up the broadening should occur and value we would expect would expand its lead relative to growth.
[15:56:01 ET] So when we okay, and we've seen that show up in some of the factors that we track on the bloomloomberg terminal, any concerns about seasonality?
[15:56:09 ET] Given that there are a lot of folks that have said, look, not only our repeat earnings, but we might be at some peak valuations, not necessarily long term, but certainly in the short term.
[15:56:17 ET] Some folks have sort of made pretty healthy profits through the first you know six to eight months of the year, how much activity can we really expect in the last you know say three.
[15:56:25 ET] Yeah, I mean, it's a really good question, you know August and September are typically rough times for the market, especially September you look back.
[15:56:33 ET] September is never a great time for the market, we can't worry about that short term we think that over the next six to nine months not only.
[15:56:41 ET] Market going higher and again, we're not calling the market, but we think value is going higher I want to go back to the F I mean washsh is considering cutting the number.
[15:56:49 ET] Meetings from 8 to six, does that make the Fed more thoughtful or less responsive and how do you respond to that as a portfolio manager?
[15:56:57 ET] obviously we're always curious what the Fed has to say, but we're looking at the economic data.
[15:57:05 ET] Reality is when we look at out, we're thinking horizontally about, again, the amount of stimulus that's out there, what Wsh does in a meeting or not.
[15:57:13 ET] Meeting, you know, that's one thing, but it's more important about the economy in the end is what drives everything and the higher economy, the higher.
[15:57:21 ET] Inflation due to the lack of excess capacity that's out there right now, we're very concerned and again, you know with that concern comes value.
[15:57:29 ET] Grow concerned about back to your question about long duration stocks, we think long duration stocks are going to take it on the chin year long duration are the growth stock.
[15:57:37 ET] Hey Elili, great to catch up with you, Elili Salzman may, senior portfolio manager over at Newbergger counting us down to the closing bells with the S.
[15:57:45 ET] 500 isabel just holding on di fractional gains on the day, getting a big bump from Apple and to amazon, but the nasdaq 100 now pours for.
[15:57:53 ET] For straightight day of loss is largely because of that big decline in Nvi. It's really those chip makers dropping once again. We're seeing more gainers and S andP but I mean.
[15:58:01 ET] The mega cap tech talks are the ones dragging them down Ab Pracom and video AMD all in the red to the upside. we've talked a lot about modernder.
[15:58:09 ET] Ete Laer and merck also getting a boost from coininbase and carvana, a full breakdown of all of today's market action starts right now.
[15:58:17 ET] The closing bell, Bloomberg's comprehensive cross platform coverage of the U market closed.
[15:58:25 ET] now and right now we are two minutes away from the end of the trading daymaine bos here withab Leee.
[15:58:33 ET] Due to that closing bell, it's a global Signcast Carol Masser joins us from the radio booth em Grphao in today for Timtennik, welcome to our audiences.
[15:58:41 ET] Across all of our Bloomberg platforms, television radio, our partnership with YouTube, the S&P 500, trying to recoup some of the losses from the previous.
[15:58:49 ET] Re but only up right now about 15 points or two tenths of 1% yeah i feel like it didn't get much from those fed minutes right that's how we kicked off our two o'clock hour.
[15:58:57 ET] Here on Blueberg business Week daily and those minutes, though did show that many officials said rate hikes may be needed.
[15:59:05 ET] That sounds like Emily, there's a little bit of debate going on there Yeah, there's a debate and at least for the two year yield, it's not really making moves.
[15:59:13 ET] Right now, but a lot of focus today on that flattening, relative flattening in the yield curve and the longer end yields moving lower.
[15:59:21 ET] I was just telling Romaine that Sam Stville said that the bond market is supposed to be quiet and when it's not that's a big deal and it's definitely not, it's certainly been making noise long.
[15:59:29 ET] meals are climbing across the US and other developed markets, France, Germany, and what else there's one country I'm forgetting, but definitely a global movement.
[15:59:37 ET] Yeah, and it kind of sets up kind of this idea and we've been talking about it a lot on the clothes and on the simulcast, just the outsidesized importance that some,
[15:59:45 ET] macro and economic issues are going to start to have on the market relative to what we saw in the first few months of this year where it really it was just about, hey.
[15:59:53 ET] Just look at the AI capex fan and follow that and ride that wave. That might be changing. Yeah, absolutely, I do feel like that narrative around AI.
[16:00:01 ET] Toal continues to and you see it also play out in the trade so big drop in long term yield.
[16:00:09 ET] On this wednesday afternoon that's putting pressure on the dollar, which is down about almost a percent on the day as measured by the bloomberg dollar spot in.
[16:00:17 ET] Well for everything else provide a nice little bit of a boost, most of the equities in the S&P5 are in the green and so the S&P5.
[16:00:25 ET] Fes in the green right around 7708 and change up 17 points or two tons of 1% the dow up of more than 100 points or.
[16:00:33 ET] The Nasdaq composite is up to tenths of 1%, though the nasdaq 100 is down by 2 tenths of 1% in the.
[16:00:41 ET] Geting in on the action. That's actually your relative outperformer up by half a percentage Yeah, kind of interesting to see that I'm going to go back though to the.
[16:00:49 ET] if I may, the S&P 500, you mentioned it remain if I look inside the index, almost an even split is about 200.
[16:00:57 ET] 85 names gaining ground on this wedday 216 to the downside to unchanged it may look like an even split but tech is.
[16:01:05 ET] B loser, you see a big red there tech down by nearly 2% or even more than 2%, and you're seeing also communication services.
[16:01:13 ET] And financials in the red, some of the bright spots, consumer staples, energy materials all higher by something like two1s to three10s.
[16:01:21 ET] Of1% all right guys, let's get to some of the individual gainers, if I may, let's bring up Mona because this one is definitely an outperformer top gainer in fact.
[16:01:29 ET] That we saw in the S&P 500 today that came up 30%, it's up about 375%.
[16:01:37 ET] Year to date,13% of the float is short, I got to check that that that's the year to date, but I'll do that in a moment The stock's biggest interest.
[16:01:45 ET] And check this in advance I did I just, you know, I have to tell you notes's in my notes and then looking at it, I'm like, I just don't even believe it, it's actually up.
[16:01:53 ET] 491% year to date. So there you go. Def outperformance. you've got 13% of the float short. This is happening after the bio.
[16:02:01 ET] company said a personalized cancer vaccine combined with partner mers k Truda helped cut the recurrence of melanoma in a large.
[16:02:09 ET] Late stage trials, so this study provided the strongest evidence yet that messenger RNA technology will have a successful second.
[16:02:17 ET] And the companies will discuss filing for approval with regulators and present the data in an upcoming medical meeting so this provides certainly some tailwinds.
[16:02:25 ET] This company that certainly had its ups and downsestee lader speaking of ups and downs, let's get to that one, this was a top gain or two.
[16:02:33 ET] Among the S&P 500 number two gainer, the stock, actually we're going to bring up bestti la, I don't know if we've got it.
[16:02:41 ET] Maderner, so let me bring upest Lauder on my terminal and S Laer what do you guys do without me so S lauder shares of 16%?
[16:02:49 ET] B day since no of 2011, and I should point out I just had an interview with the CEO of S Laer how he keeps the momentum going.
[16:02:57 ET] To do the rest of the list Okay, thank you very much All right Well, shares jumping after the results beat estimates and ended a run of three straight.
[16:03:05 ET] An annual revenue company reported revenue of 3.6 billion in its fiscal fourth quarter and organic sales growth accelerated to 5% China.
[16:03:13 ET] But this is a company that owns many, many brands and has really struggled, keep in mind the stock is down or at least it was down.
[16:03:21 ET] 74% from a high back in early january of 2022, so still has some room to gain back want mention twist.
[16:03:29 ET] cience and also the life science and tools area T bioscience, you can see up 22% in today's session.
[16:03:37 ET] This company high, rose to its highest, excuse me in more than five years after Anthropic chose the drug developer as one of its.
[16:03:45 ET] ent evaluators to help produce AI design proteins at scale and test these designs for binding interesting.
[16:03:53 ET] do with DNA, so just kind of an interesting trade didn't mean to be sharp with you, Ramaine, I was just, you know, that's all right, you know, it's my first day back.
[16:04:01 ET] I know you obviously have had a rest, I should also mention hyper liquidquid, I think, was also a lot higher, yeah, forgive me.
[16:04:09 ET] My bad you did put that up first, it was up 30% in today's session, and this happened after President Trump said in that meeting with crypto execs.
[16:04:17 ET] That the CFTC chair is working to bring hyper liquidquid to the US and our own stay see Marie Ihmil said that that was a pretty interesting development.
[16:04:25 ET] So again, yeah and this one has been a outperformer this year oh yours all right, let's head to the Decrs, I'm starting with TJX of course this is the parent company.
[16:04:33 ET] Of Tj max home goods it fell today it was down about 4% the clothing retailer reported second quarter comp sales for.
[16:04:41 ET] It'sMarmax segment, which missed estimates, so the Marmax segment is the parent of TJ Max and Marshahal's the names.
[16:04:49 ET] We know well, actually the top line comp sales did beat and the home goods comp sales also beat estimates.
[16:04:57 ET] It's a lot of people going out, buying little figurines of mugs or frames, whatever you can.
[16:05:05 ET] homes, but nevertheless the stock what are you talking about have you ever been in home goods em it's more than just figurines.
[16:05:13 ET] You can get like, oh my God, how dare you pachio, should we tell you no, we have to take you to a teaching man.
[16:05:21 ET] There's so much that there's furniture, no, there's a lot there, but it's a lot of there is this like running joke on TikTok about places.
[16:05:29 ET] hyper specific things that you can only find at homeWhere else am I going to get my live laugh love exactly?
[16:05:37 ET] ton panel with Santa on the side holding it up family means everything those good.
[16:05:45 ET] Gro lower Viking holdings was another decliner the shares down about 8% management of the river.
[16:05:53 ET] Cruz company trying to soothe investor concerns today about the impact of low water levels in the daubbe and rhhine rivers.
[16:06:01 ET] This is an issue that's prompted the cruise line operator to issue vouchers to some travelers, so shareholders not too happy about.
[16:06:09 ET] That kind of update, the company though, did say that about 53% of its capacity for 2027 has been booked while increasing its offering.
[16:06:17 ET] Across river and ocean products by 15%. so this is a luxury consumer signaling at least some resilient demand.
[16:06:25 ET] The luxury side, whereas you think of a TJ Max group, I mean, I feel like that's kind of for everyone, but definitely known to be more on the.
[16:06:33 ET] Ine side, definitely not a luxury product, but both reads from the consumer here maybe not looking too hot at least at today's trade.
[16:06:41 ET] Then finally, white fiber, this is a smaller cap name, it's about just one billion in market cap, but it did fall about 21%.
[16:06:49 ET] They priced a private placement, $270 million of a senior note offering to bill.
[16:06:57 ET] Out AI infrastructure. So this just stood out to me because, again, we're seeing AI companies of all different shape.
[16:07:05 ET] And sizes tapping the debt markets, eventually, you have to see maybe some questions from the equity shareholders about.
[16:07:13 ET] What all of this is needed for well speaking of debt market, so we have to talk about the treasury marketss the big drop that we saw on the long end of the curve down 10 basis.
[16:07:21 ET] 11 basis points excuse me on your 20 year yield, 10 basis points on your 30 year yield, the biggest one day drop that we've seen in yields on the.
[16:07:29 ET] Bond since late june, obviously all of that tied to scott bessen lifting the treasury's buyback cap doubling.
[16:07:37 ET] I should say from 2 billion to 4 billion liquidity measures as he puts it, but obviously a lot of questions right now about just what type of mechanisms.
[16:07:45 ET] using to sort of keep a cap on yields and more importantly why yeah so let's get to some stories that are definitely on our radar.
[16:07:53 ET] Actually, our Alexis Christopherrus talked about it on surveillance this morning, we know the pushback on a lot of the AI data center.
[16:08:01 ET] Well liquidqui Death and Garage beer have launched a campaign called We Want Your P to help AI data centers.
[16:08:09 ET] without using large amounts of water, so it features a video spot with garage beer co owner Jason Kelsey, you know him well.
[16:08:17 ET] his urine in a bottle and singing a song about sending P to data centers before you get upset and you're like, oh my God, what has happened in this world.
[16:08:25 ET] Mine, it's a joke everybody, but they just obviously, I would hope so we live in an interesting time romaine.
[16:08:33 ET] Well, so we're giving them a lot of attention for our radio viewers they're walking through a meadow right now with a farmer and a skateboard for some reason all holding up.
[16:08:41 ET] Large bottles of their own liquids but fake straw, one of them had a tumbler with a straw.
[16:08:49 ET] Some on a mobility scooter you get that through a well I should put out this story by arick also just points out that about7 out of 10merican opposed data.
[16:08:57 ET] being built in their community, so it's kind of having some fun with this just reminding everybody of the impact Id never thought I'd talk about this as a markets report.
[16:09:05 ET] But there's the first time for everything we talk about everything hereburg no doubt about it, all right guys, that is a wrap welcome back romaine we did kind of.
[16:09:13 ET] Our cross platform, radio TV, YouTube, Bloomberg originals, we do call it the closing bell Iabella and remainmaine, they're on the close on Bloomberg television.
[16:09:21 ET] And em and I back here on Blueberg Business Week daily, we will see you again same time, same place tomorrow.
[16:09:29 ET] When we come back, our coverage continues here on the close, a closer look at that big decision by the Treasury with regards to its buybacks and exactly.
[16:09:37 ET] How the market is now starting to price this new Treasury department in we're going to catch up with Greg Peters over at PGM when we come back after the break right here.
[16:09:45 ET] this is Bloomberg.
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[16:10:41 ET] Like for human resources, for testing, for transportation of samples.
[16:10:49 ET] ly, African countries has to think how to fund money and to cover this gap.
[16:10:57 ET] But it takes some time and I think the community all all of these factors are fueling this mistrust that we see.
[16:11:05 ET] Com levelWe value the support we got, and we are still getting from the US and.
[16:11:13 ET] We think that if we continue to work together and there is no reason for the US not to work with Africa CDC, Africa CDC is the leader.
[16:11:21 ET] In terms of public health in Africa.
[16:11:29 ET] 'm da i'm lisa and i'mris Raffiti for tracking breaking news today from wall street to washington.
[16:11:37 ET] the hope is this will open up new markets and provide some additional liquidity Of course now they're going to have We got a big week coming up in politics.
[16:11:45 ET] Season underway we're going to get some key reports everything you need to know before the markets open on monday this weekend.
[16:11:53 ET] Little bloomloberg into your weekend routine.
[16:12:01 ET] The countdown is on everything you need to get the edge at the end.
[16:12:09 ET] This is the back to the close.
[16:12:17 ET] And our remain boss markets just closed about 12 minutes ago the s&P trying to shake off the doldrums from the past three days.
[16:12:25 ET] Only finishing higher by about two tenths of a percent on the day, but that still cleans it back above that 7700 mark the philphia.
[16:12:33 ET] index down for a second straight day and we' got to talk about what we're seeing in the yield space and the dollar as well your 30 year yield dropping about 10.
[16:12:41 ET] Bas points on the day we're going to get back to that story in just a second isabel and then you see the dollar also taking a leg down the biggest drop that we saw for the blue.
[16:12:49 ET] Dollar spot index in about three weeks remember it had been on a pretty significant uptrend back in may and june and then by the time you got to mid to late.
[16:12:57 ET] It really started that downtrend and that accelerated today with that announcement by the treasury and to your point, remain earlier that the story of the.
[16:13:05 ET] Is really just the bond market, everything is about the bond market and this comes just two weeks after releasing the plan schedule for buybacks for this quarter and the treasury set.
[16:13:13 ET] Increasing by at least double the size of liquidity support buyback operations, so definitely big news out there roine so maybe we did get.
[16:13:21 ET] movers under the hood we're looking at carvana we have shares closing the day in the green after the airport showed that mark ws day in the company was.
[16:13:29 ET] This means he wouldn't be able to immediately sell them as he contends with a federal approve of his investment empire, Mo also shares jump.
[16:13:37 ET] That's after the company said a personalized cancer vaccine combined with merck helped cut the recurrence of melanoma in the late.
[16:13:45 ET] and last target shares, or should I say Taj Romaine theyre in the green after the retailers comparable sales and adjusted EP.
[16:13:53 ET] Yes, for the second quarter beat expectations All right, let's turn back to what we're seeing today in the treasury market because that.
[16:14:01 ET] our top story and it is that fresh attempt to rein in long term borrowing calls from multiy highs scott besson and the U. treasury set the ramp.
[16:14:09 ET] back starting early next month of long data government debt, saying it's increasing by at least double the size liquidity measure.
[16:14:17 ET] As he said, and that's going to focus a lot on the 10 to 30 year sector, the move comes just two weeks after the department release its plan schedule for buybacks this quarter.
[16:14:25 ET] As long dated bond yields around the globe rose to significant levels this week, the U.. 30 year right now still camped out around its highest level.
[16:14:33 ET] Since 2007,greg peters joins us right now co CIO of public and private fixed income over at Pgm Greg, great to see you here.
[16:14:41 ET] Okay, what was your reaction this morning when you heard about this Well, I wasn't surprised that what I think the be right that threat was out there?
[16:14:49 ET] For a while, I think market participants knew that this administration would look to doing things that are unconventional.
[16:14:57 ET] was definitely on the table. But I think the real question is, what does it mean for kind of long term viability, So there's a difference.

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